The title says it all. For those who have a crash in KHangMan in Intrepid or whatever *buntu flavours or Debian experimental, this is an error in packaging that lead to this crash. To fixe it, you need apparently need to install Kanagram + data as far as I could gather.
I am pretty upset about it as I already spent hours talking to various devels about it weeks ago. Now I get bug reports from users, that's why I am blogging about it.
In the KDE svn repository, the data is present under khangman/ and I don't see why it was not bundled with KHangMan as it was with KDE 3. How much can distros safely cut our code into pieces? I even added a few years ago some README.packagers files in various kdeedu source folders to ensure that we communicate well.
This is only for KHangMan from KDE 4, KDE 3 is fine!
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It seems that KPatience in Intrepid is broken too :(
And this is not all. I'm getting some strange reports about very broken and missing Slovenian translations in Kubuntu 8.10. And when I check other distributions like Mandriva 2009 or openSUSE 11.1 beta 3 all is fine. And all is fine in the KDE SVN also. What is going on here?
jlp: we have this problem in the norwegian translations too.
the translations in launchpad override the one's from the project, so when basically ubuntu is giving us translator a bad reputation by using poor translations from random launchpad members who don't coordinate stuff with the others. corrections are also not picked up if the translation has been touched in launchpad at some point.
And then people think that's a problem of KDE.
Really Kubuntu is pissing me completly off. Such things can be found with basic testing of the changes they (!) make but obviously that does not happen.
I think it should be stated on the main page of kde that Kubuntu causes problems and is not the distribution of choice. As it is now Kubuntu is bad PR for KDE.
I'm sorry for the bug, some files are in the wrong package, we will fix it in the 4.1.3 update to be out in a couple of days.
Of course we have a bug tracker which is a better place to report these problems than a blog :)
There's nothing in README.packagers about this.
We do of course test programmes as part of the packaging process, in this case the bug only shows itself if you install the packages in isolation so maybe we should try and do that more.
@romain I can't see any problem in KPatience, Do let me know what the problem is (e-mail, IRC ping, good old fashioned bug report) and we'll look into it.
@mat69 I think KDE needs to be part of the most popular desktop distribution, your attitude would rapidly make KDE irrelevant, something we're trying hard to ensure doesn't happen.
@riddell: I talked about it in lengths with some Kubuntu packager weeks ago, he submitted a bug report against KHangMan. It was logical that he would take the appropriate action.
I blogged because users need to know. As I said we got bugs reports even on the kde-www mailing list as users are disoriented (maybe you should add a prominent way for users to get support in fact, telling them to first report to the distribution before KDE)
And again, I took the appropriate actions long ago to get it fixed but it was not classified as urgent.
It was not before I again talked about it on IRC yesterday for hours that in the end some packagers explained me how they work. I now understand more of this process and why such things happen. I'll be more aware of potential problems and I'll try to avoid them on my side for KDE-Edu.
I regret it took me great insistence to achieve a useful dialog with packagers.
As for the README.packagers, I am always keen on having feedback about it. Your sentence "There's nothing in README.packagers about this." is useless: you should tell me what I should have written here, that would be a positive way of sharing knowledge.
@ridell as I once used Ubuntu and Kubuntu I'm still mostly on a Ubuntu forum.
And there I and others have constantly to emphasize that certain problems do not happen with other distributions.
Thats really a problem as many people there think that the KDE Kubuntu provides them with is the "real" KDE. While many of the problems they outline do not happen on branch, neither on trunk.
A dialog there is often that way (in fact with more text, it's still a forum):
A: KDE sucks.
B: Why?
A: 1. 2. 3. ...
B: 1. problem of Ubuntu, 2. fixed in Trunk ...
As a result I'm recommending openSuse and some other distributions.
In fact I have nothing against your work and appreciate it, though I have the feeling that Kubuntu lacks resources and that's both bad for the perception of Kubuntu and KDE.
Btw. those translation issues are really uncalled-for.
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